This is based on a nephew Walter (the younger) being mentioned in Ann Broadhust nee Miller's Will
Albert Edward marriage cert has his profesion as a Silversmith!
Still alive in 1891 census
The IGI index ties in with the census dates of birth
Still alive in 1891 census
FreeBMD has
Births Sep 1872
LEINS Laura L_do_ic_ Hackney 1b 419
I had thoughts 13 Jan 2002 that
Christening on 18 Jan 1836 at Saint Mary-St. Marylebone Road, St. Marylebone, London, England
IGI Batch #: C035248, Sheet #: , Source Call #: 0580912, 0580913, 0580914
Father: John MACKand Wife: Catherine LYNCH might be the right one but not John ARTHUR JOSEPHThere is an entry, which might be a grandchild
Mack Percy Wilmot B Births Jun 1898 Staines 3a 10
and from 1901 census
1075900 25886190 May Mack 25 Forest Hill London Fulham
1075900 25886191 Percy Mack 2 Surrey Sunbury London Fulham
1075900 25886192 Norma Mack 1 London Stratham London Fulham
Interesting this BMD entry
Smerdon Susan Births Jun 1846 St James Westminster 1 114
Possible 1901 Census find
Page Id Person Id Name Age Born County Parish Occupation
1076005 25889001 Arthur Mack 35 London Whitechapel London Fulham Grocers Porter
1076005 25889002 Ellen Mack 35 Berks Reading London Fulham
1076005 25889003 Arthur Mack 16 London Lambeth London Fulham Goverment Clerk
1076005 25889004 Percy Mack 13 London Pimlico London Fulham
1076005 25889005 Harold Mack 10 London Pimlico London Fulham
1076005 25889006 Frederick Mack 6 London Pimlico London Fulham
1076005 25889007 Robert Mack 2 London Chelsea London Fulham
1076005 25889008 Charles Mack 1 London Fulham London Fulham
Possible
Mack Alice Clare Marriages Jun 1900 Epsom 2a 49
Born in 1885 according to Marriage cert. - witnessed by Alfred H
he died when Barbara was 18
he had a jounger brother Alfred (still alive in 1962) - and there were 15 siblings (according to Alf)
at least 2 died in childhood
Alfred had a son killed WWII
and Alfred had a tall daughter called Vera (who lived with him)
Alfred had a great aunt Sophia lived with them when he was a child (surname could be PARRY)
Alfred's father/grandfather had come to Bolton to work at Bessemer Forge
and he may have come from Wales
She had 2 sisters Maggie (didnt marry) and Annie
Annie married a Wright and had 2 children Morris (the baker) & Constance
Born in 1885 according to Marriage cert. with witnesses Samuel and Alice D
She was alive in 1940 to witness FH and JAS marriage
She had cousins Hetty and Prudence GREEN, Annie, Maggie and Prudence GUEST
The "Seftons of Atherton" were also mentioned by Alfred Haslam - they could have been relatives or people Constance Carr worked for Mary Sefton.
Possible
Haslam James Marriages Mar 1866 Bolton 8c 366
Alfred said there were 2 children who died in infancy
TODO: find her surname as Barbara wrote...
Taking what Grt. Uncle Alf said about his father being one of the first men to work at "Bessemer's forge" I decided to check out "Bessemer" and discovered Sir Henry Bessemer (1813-1898) who invented a new way of making steel. His steel works was set up at Sheffield, not Bolton, in 1860.
I can't remember the site but Sir Henry's autobiography is up on the web and on the pages I read he mentioned the Ebbw Vale Ironworks and a Mr. George Parry who was the furnacemaster in 1857. I wonder if Sophia Parry (aunt to Gt. Uncle Alf) and Sam Parry (of an iron foundry family from Wales!) were related to him? I don't know if Sam and Sophia were father and daughter or brother and sister. (I remember Gt. Uncle Alf referring to Sophia as a "maiden lady.")The 1881 census has
Dwelling: 36 Apple St
Census Place: Great Bolton, Lancashire, England
Source: FHL Film 1341918 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 3841 Folio 150 Page 28
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
William PARRY W 73 M Chirk, Denbigh, Wales
Rel: Head
Occ: Forgeman (Unemployed) (Iron)
Sophia PARRY U 43 F Bolton, Lancashire, England
Rel: Daur
Occ: Charwoman
Betsy PARRY U 36 F Flint, Wales
Rel: Daur
Occ: House Keeper
Richard PARRY U 32 M Flint, Wales
Rel: Son
Occ: Forgeman (Unemployed) (Iron)
Samuel PARRY W 30 M Flint, Wales
Rel: Son
Occ: Steam Hammer Driver (Iron)
Abraham SWANWICK U 51 M Whixal, Shropshire, England
Rel: Lodger
Occ: Farm Laborer- which may just be her relations.
Emigrated possibly to Canada
Possible BMD entry
Haslam James Births Jun 1875 Bolton 8c 421
Mentioned in E Haslam : E Davies marriage cert - was therefore alive in 1910
She had a brother William Howarth
possible BMD entry (if Ellen was 1st born)
Howarth Margaret Ellen Births Mar 1864 Bolton 8c 268There are some Howarths at 15 Apple St in 1881 & 1891 - the father was Thomas, but they may be relations as the daughter is just Margaret born in 1854 if 27 is correct, which it must be because of mother's age and she was unmarried in 1891
Dwelling: 15 Apple St
Census Place: Great Bolton, Lancashire, England
Source: FHL Film 1341918 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 3841 Folio 149 Page 25
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Thomas HOWARTH M 57 M Haigh, Lancashire, England
Rel: Head
Occ: Iron Moulder
Susannah HOWARTH M 58 F Bolton, Lancashire, England
Rel: Wife
William HOWARTH M 31 M Bolton, Lancashire, England
Rel: Son
Occ: Iron Moulder
Margaret HOWARTH U 27 F Bolton, Lancashire, England
Rel: Daur
Occ: Cotton Winder
Louisa E. HOWARTH 4 F Bolton, Lancashire, England
Rel: Grand Daurin 1891 we have
15 Apple Street (4 rooms)
Margaret Howarth/head/Single/38/-/Lancashire Bolton
William Howarth/brother/widow/43/Iron moulder/Lancashire Bolton
Louisa Howarth/Niece/14/cotton weaver/Lancashire Bolton
She died unmarried
If the BMD index is correct then the last 3 children were born after he died!
Assumed husband as she was formerly GREEN
The STONEY's have a crest
AUDAX
NUNQUAM NON PARATUS
which means
Bold
Never unprepared
Barbara has a note she died in 1932 aged about 75 or 76
She could have a brother James, born 1866, who was 25 in 4 George St in 1891 with wife Alice and daughter Maud E? aged 1
She never married
TODO: possibly married William PLATT (uncle Billy) and had a son called Gilbert PLATT